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by **Ceb** on 05 Dec 2010, 08:11

Does anyone have an extra large paper bag they can lend me? I've been making a veritable fool of myself lately and I'd like to hide under something for a bit. :S

by **polliwog** on 05 Dec 2010, 08:18

I would offer to send the one I use, but I never know when I will need it again. :rolleyes:

by **Weirdelves** on 05 Dec 2010, 12:14

finding it hard to give myself reasons to get out of bed this morning

by **Becca** on 05 Dec 2010, 15:49

WHY MUST I LIE IN BED FOR A MINIMUM OF 3 HOURS BEFORE BEING ABLE TO FALL ASLEEP? I AM GETTING REALLY REALLY REALLY TIRED (LITERALLY) OF THIS. It does not matter how little I have slept for the past two weeks or how early I awoke the previous morning. I don't know if it's stress or what. I would think I would reach a point where I was so exhausted that my body would just crash and I would SLEEP, but it's not happening. It refuses to let me drift off anytime while the clock still touches "PM". Seems to want to wait until around 3am, which only gives me between 4-5 hours. I can't even catch up on weekends because my body refuses to sleep in anymore (past say, 9am anyway). :mad:

by **ursulabear** on 05 Dec 2010, 19:15

by **Ann** on 05 Dec 2010, 20:28

by **polliwog** on 05 Dec 2010, 22:52

by **polliwog** on 05 Dec 2010, 23:06

Lying awake at night for long periods isn't always a bad thing. It just depends on what's causing it, and what kind of thoughts run through your head while you're lying there. Both of my daughters have sleep problems related to their depression/anxiety/OCD/bipolar disorder/etc., and it literally drives them crazy to not be able to fall asleep right away. Both take meds to knock themselves out. On the other hand, I couldn't fall asleep quickly from my early teens to somewhere in my late 50's. It almost never bothered me, even when I was getting only an hour and a half of sleep some nights. I spent that pre-sleep time daydreaming/fantasizing/planning/and so on. If you can't fall asleep, try to control what you think about. Be creative! Above all, try to avoid worrying about how much sleep you are getting (or losing). If you can't do that, and it bothers you too much to lose so much sleep, talk to your doctor. Meds may be your only hope.

by **ursulabear** on 05 Dec 2010, 23:38

by **Becca** on 06 Dec 2010, 01:15

I am very protective of my sleep. I get major anxiety/guilt over not sleeping. Anxiety if I just can't fall asleep. The guilt is more like if I'm consciously staying up, like hanging out all night with friends. I will realize how late it's getting and feel this stab of guilt, saying "you should be asleep! This isn't good for you!"
I WAS kind of like you, Ann. I would be tired all day, and then around what should be bedtime, I'd be wide awake till anywhere from 3am to like 6am. But I've been trying to get on a "grown-up" sleep schedule. And for a while it was going well. Then the time changed and it started getting light at like 7am, so I would wake up then and not be able to fall back asleep. But I started going to bed early, so it was cool. Then Joanna week came up and I was up late seeing her shows and then having to drive 2 hrs home afterwards, etc. and I think it completely messed up my body clock. So I've been trying to adjust ever since, but it's been like two weeks and it seems like I would adjust by now. Especially because I had to get up early every day this week. I thought I'd be tired enough to just pass out.
But here's how I'm different than you, Ann. I'm tired all day, but I get really sleepy starting around 7pm. But I don't want to go to bed then because a) I still have shit to do, and b) I'm afraid if I do I will wake up at like 3am or something. But maybe I should just try it. I wonder if I'm passing my "sleepy time" and it's messing me up.
For a while I was just staying up really late internetting and doing useless things for absolutely no reason. I would tell myself to just go to bed, but I just couldn't seem to actually do it. But lately I've gotten myself to go to bed and at least start reading or doing something chill earlier to try to relax (the internet isn't always terribly relaxing) but it's like as soon as I turn out the light my brain suddenly decides to become super high-functioning, whereas during the day I feel like it's in some kind of continual "stand-by" mode where I just feel so "derp derp derp."

by **Jordan~** on 06 Dec 2010, 01:24

I also have a messed up sleeping pattern, in that I don't have a sleeping pattern. I might go to bed at midday, midnight, five in the morning or four in the afternoon; I might sleep for five hours or eighteen. Often I feel tired but unable to sleep, or I feel tired even though I've slept for way more than twelve hours. My mind's racing when I finally decide to go down for the night/morning/afternoon/evening, so I lie awake tossing and turning for what feels like forever before I finally fall asleep. I don't really like sleeping, either - I really resent it. I have too many hours in the day already, but that wouldn't be the case if no one needed to sleep. We could visit eachother at four in the morning and stuff. Stupid waste of time.

by **Becca** on 06 Dec 2010, 01:33

haha, you sound like my friend, Chuck. I, personally, loooove sleeping. BUT I think at the same time I feel like I might miss something. It's been like this since I was little. You know, the little kid who doesn't want to go to bed because the grown-ups are all still awake, probably doing really cool things that I'm going to miss out on. I think I still have a little bit of that mentality, so it's difficult for me to sleep if I have the slightest feeling that something is going on.
I can't take naps, or sleep at any old time of the day. I never have really been a nap person. On the rare occasion when I am actually able to fall asleep during the day, I usually wake up completely disoriented and feeling like shit. I wish I was one of those people who could just curl up anywhere at anytime and just fall asleep. I've known people like that. One of my friends considers a raccoon his spirit animal or whatever, because he can curl up in a freaking tree and fall asleep.

by **polliwog** on 06 Dec 2010, 01:39

Like you, Alex, I don't have a sleeping pattern, at least not right now. Sometimes I'm up for 36 hours or so, and other times I'm up at 8 AM with a nap of three to six hours in the afternoon, or sleep in until 11 AM and back in bed by 8 or 9 PM. It varies from day to day. That said, it doesn't bother me that much because I don't have a job or anything else that requires me to follow a set schedule. The only things I can think of that bother me about it is that I sometimes wake up with leg or hip pain, or have disquieting dreams, when I sleep late into the morning. Why that should be, I don't have a clue. Otherwise, I love sleep, especially when I get solidly into the REM state, or even better, when I come half awake and can consciously manipulate the dream. :hyper:

by **Jordan~** on 06 Dec 2010, 01:44

Oh, I wake up feeling disoriented and usually like shit whenever I go to sleep, then administer music to cure it. Plus, my dreams have a habit of mentally sabotaging me. I don't really have good dreams, just strange dreams, troubling dreams, and dreams that seem meaningful in retrospect. For some reason most of my dreams occur in very similar situations: there's a clearing with some kind of built-up area in the middle of it, be it a city, a village or just a house, there's water in the clearing in the form of pools, a lake or a river, and surrounding the clearing is a dense, dark forest, always full of spiders of every shape and size, some realistic and some as big as horses, with bizarrely formed and coloured bodies. Those tend to be the ones where I feel like there's some significance I'm missing. The other dreams tend to be either prophetic in nature or the exploration of some hypothetical situation: Teiresias appears to me in the form of my old Latin teacher and tells me that I'm doomed to fail in a room in King's College; or I meet my ex and he has a girlfriend and I become murderously angry and trash everything in the room except the chair he's sitting on. I would probably miss dreaming, but I could get by without it.
The thing I hate most about sleep is that everyone does it at night. Night's the best part of the day! We're awake for 16 hours anyway, why not get up jusst before sunset and go to bed to the morning chorus? Bah.

by **ursulabear** on 06 Dec 2010, 15:12

I usually sleep from midnight to eight A.M., and then from two to four or five in the afternoon. I really really really need naps. When I took concerta, i would sleep from three in the morning till noon. when i started taking strattera, i slept all day, and then built up a tolerance. i always always sleep on my stomach, too. it's weird. I keep a journal by my bed to write down all of the positions i wake up in.

by **Becca** on 07 Dec 2010, 03:17

That's so weird. I'm absolutely never aware of what position I wake up in. It always takes me so long to transition from asleep to awake, that I've probably already changed position 7 times in the process. BTW, I am a toss-and-turner. Which might be another problem. I mostly sleep on my side, but I am constantly switching sides.
I'm not a fan of nighttime. The darkness makes me depressed, so I may as well be sleeping. And I love dreams. Sometimes I have bad ones...occasionally really awesome ones...but mostly just weird or entertaining ones. But I often feel like I would just like to live in that little world inside my head, and that idea seems to come up in a lot of the songs I write. My goal is to avoid reality as much as possible.

by **Ann** on 07 Dec 2010, 11:03

by **ursulabear** on 07 Dec 2010, 13:59

yeah, it's a stimulant. i took it for ADHD, for six years. I was unhealthily skinny and tired. i looked strung out constantly. awful.

by **Wanbli** on 08 Dec 2010, 02:18

Sorry to hear about all the sleep issues and medication
My recommendations for a good night's rest, select in order of potency and depending on your age and character:
1) warm milk
2) chamomile tea
3) valerian root tincture in a cup of tea or valerian root tea
4) melatonin
5) 1/2 or a glass of red wine
6) a puff of mary jane
all prescription drugs are bad IMO,- not being judgmental in the least as to those who take them or their reasons
Sadly our quick fix, commercialized, pharmo-kickback "medical system" pushes this crap at every turn preying on the natural human instincts of fear, uncertainty and doubt

by **Jordan~** on 08 Dec 2010, 12:31

I can't buy American Spirits in Dundee. I can get 20 packs online for £119 - that's about $190 in colonial money. More than a hundred pounds?

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